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021 Talent Management in the Law with Grover Cleveland- Part 2 of a 3 Part Series


In this episode, Christina Martini and Grover Cleveland discuss:

  • About Grover Cleveland and how he got into his work
  • The biggest challenges for law students and their careers
  • What law schools are doing to prepare law students for the new normal
  • What challenges do law firms have with recruiting young lawyers

Key Takeaways:

  • The runway is really shorter for new lawyer success
  • Take the Business of Practicing Law class
  • You can’t really teach someone how a law firm will be like, but you can give them the right tools
  • Law firms wanting their lawyers to be all in is one of the challenges

“[In a mentoring relationship] you can not let it languish, you need to take full advantage of it.” —  Grover Cleveland

About Grover Cleveland:

Grover E. Cleveland is a Seattle lawyer, speaker and the author of the bestselling career advice book for new lawyers, Swimming Lessons for Baby Sharks: The Essential Guide to Thriving as a New Lawyer published by West.

Grover is passionate about helping new lawyers thrive. He is a regular speaker on career success for law students and new lawyers, including presentations and seminars at law firms of all sizes; ABA, NALP, PDC, and LGBT Bar Association national conferences; and law schools, including Harvard. His presentations cover the practical skills new graduates need to become better lawyers faster and provide more value to clients.

A recognized expert on new lawyer success, Grover is also a frequent contributor to national legal publications. His career column, Swimming Lessons for Baby Sharks: Practical Advice for New Lawyers, appears in prominent law blogs, including Above the Law and Ms. JD. His articles have also appeared in ABA, NALP and other legal publications, as well as American Lawyer Media’s Careerist blog.

He was a summer associate, associate, and a partner at Foster Pepper PLLC, one of the Northwest’s larger law firms. His clients included the Seattle Seahawks as well as other companies owned by Microsoft co-founder, Paul Allen.

A lawyer for more than 20 years, Grover has overseen the work of other lawyers in all stages of practice. He has also been the client to outside counsel. This broad range of experience gives him a unique perspective on the skills new lawyers need to succeed.

He is not related to the 22nd and 24th President of the United States.

Connect with Grover Cleveland:

Twitter:  @babysharklaw





Book: Swimming Lessons for Baby Sharks




Connect with Christina Martini:

Twitter: @TinaMartini10


DLA Piper:

LinkedIn: Christina Martini



Show notes by Podcastologist: Britnie Leverett

Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You’re the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

About the author, Christina Martini

For nearly 25 years, Christina (Tina) Martini has been an intellectual property attorney practicing in BigLaw. Tina is a partner at the law firm McDermott Will & Emery and focuses her practice on domestic and international trademark and copyright law, as well as domain name, Internet, social media, advertising and unfair competition law.

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